10 reasons YouTube’s new Google+ comments really are a good thing

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If any of you netizens have not heard of this apparently catastrophic news, YouTube comments are now handled by Google+. Yes I know, the horror, now catch your breath… settle down… it’s fine… really.

Here is the official post from the almighty Google (who own YouTube by the way — for some weird reason some people don’t know this).

The main jist of the update is:

  • Comments you care about move to the top: You’ll see posts at the top of the list from the video’s creator, popular personalities, engaged discussions about the video, and people in your Google+ Circles. You can still see the most recent comments by switching from “Top Comments” to “Newest First.”
  • Join the conversation publicly or privately: You can choose to start a conversation so that it is seen by everyone, only people in your Circles, or just your bestie. Like Gmail, replies are threaded so you can easily follow conversations.
  • Easily moderate comments: If you also post videos on your channel, you’ll have new tools to review comments before they’re posted, block certain words or save time by auto-approving comments from certain fans.

There is a video too:

You wouldn’t believe how upset users are about this. More than 90 000 people are petitioning YouTube to bring back the old comments system. The petition, hosted on Change.org, says Google is forcing users into creating accounts for a social network they don’t want to use with the new comments section.

YouTube petition

Is it just me or is there a petition every time a major social network makes a change? Facebook gets these things by the bucket load when they so much as consider moving a pixel. How have none of these people noticed the social network company does not care about your petition. They thought these changes out, consulted experts, and invested time, money and resources to do it. They are not going to turn around and say: “Oh look, a fraction of our uses don’t like change. Oh well, worth a shot.”

I digress, back to the issue at hand. These Google+ comments, they are actually a truly good change to the notoriously venomous environment that is the YouTube comments space. I remember I read a joke once where if aliens ever saw YouTube comments as first contact, they would have more than enough reason to think we were a bunch of parasites and not to touch down on this blue planet or they might catch something.

So the move to Google+ is awesome for so many reasons, and here are just a few of them:

1. Less profanity! (I’m not being a prude here, it is really getting out of hand)
2. Meaningful discussion, not spam all over the place.
3. The comments that really matter to me are top, as in those I know (as within my circles) and the person who made the video.
4. I can comment publicly or privately (share my comments only with some of my Circles).
5. I can see who I’m talking to, I just hover over their name and up pops their Google+ profile card.
6. Mentioning people directly by their Google+ profiles and use hashtags which means they get a mail when I talk about them.
7. New comments left on my videos go directly to Google+ notification system — all in one place.
8. The video poster can easily moderate comments by block certain words and save time by auto-approving comments from certain people (read: trolls).
9. Nice big comments, no character limit (500 characters can be constricting in a rant).
10. Google Translate support for YouTube comments (overdue in my opinion).

(Disclosure: list inspired by Aygul Zagidullina)

This fine lady known on YouTube as iJustine gets it. She has 1.7-million people subscribed to her channel, so is a good representative of those who actually give a lot of their time and effort to their channel and followers.

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  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    I have, I like it, but then I like Google+ already.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    There is no gun to your head, you don’t like the free service don’t use it.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    It is actually an awesome platform, try it out for a bit and check out some of the top users. I love it for meeting new people and learning whats happening. If you are an avid photographer you’ll really love it.

  • theguy126

    Youtube’s top comment system used to be very ingenious. I was always excited to scroll down to read the top two wittiest comments as voted by the public. Every video had a bit of extra entertainment, and “spam top comments” were an uncommon occurrence.

    Even the crappiest videos on Youtube miraculously became entertaining, because the top two comments would always provide a chuckle by making fun of the video. Aside from funny, the top comments were also often touching, weird, interesting, or even inspiring.

    This new commenting system neuters the amazing system they used to have and prevents prolonged public visibility of the most well-crafted comments. I used to insist on watching videos in Youtube because of their excellent commenting system. Now there is little reason to use Youtube over any other video website. Why the hell do I want to read the top comments in my “GOOGLE CIRCLES” (I have like 3 friends!!)? I go on Youtube to read the best comments in the world, which are usually by strangers!

  • Faker
  • Joca

    Please Martijn take a while to think about this:
    GOOGLE+ or THE PERMANENT DATA COLLECTOR

    After digging a bit on the situation, i am very sure that Google doesn’t care if you use Google+ or not.
    It’s now obvious to me that the purpose of Google+ was never to “create a better social network”.
    Every single Google application is collecting data and sending it to Google+. Then, G+ organizes all relevant information and stores it in a comprehensible database. This highly accurate database has information regarding everything you might imagine about you and all your connected family, friends, acquaintances, emails you send and receive, posts you make, data from GMaps, from Play store, from your Android Smartassphone GMaps, Gmail… whatever.
    It’s like G+ is gathering user data from here, there, connecting the dots, solving a puzzle so that all income info makes sense and can be added to a very organized relational database.
    This is how Google+ makes money for Google, it makes direct advertising or micro-targeting much more valuable because of how accurate it is when finding it’s advertisers target. More targeted and specific, ads will be more expensive for advertisers in a sense that they will also benefit from it.

    YOUTUBE becoming ADSTUBE?

    Youtube will eventually fall to much better video sharing sites, but right now it won’t.
    If you want an alternative to Youtube, you have a problem. Similar sites are charging you like $40/m just to have access to the most basic stuff on Youtube. Others are too small. There’s simply nothing that can replace Youtube right now, and i was talking about Vimeo, Metacafe, etc.
    In the future, it won’t be that easy. At the rate Google is replacing useful content with ads we are going to have something like 50% ads 50% user content in Youtube in a couple of years.
    - First videos in Youtube search are Ads.
    - First emails on my GMail Inbox are Ads
    - Banners in every video (i can deal with this)
    - About 70% of the videos i watch have 5 sec (at least) video ads, some are forced like 24 secs (i can deal with this but it’s getting boring).

    Changing comments is an attempt by Google to add more organized and filtered information from posts and posters to their own benefit, not yours (see what i wrote before about G+).

    CONCLUSION (My Conclusion…)

    I could go on writing about every Google product but i have better offline stuff to do now.

    Changes will happen when people start to not minding about paying a few bucks to some “noise free” video sharing solution instead of having to bare with all the ad spamming in Youtube.
    Google+ looks more like a tumor that spread to the Google user experience, i just wonder if it’s malignant or not… it’s kind of obvious now that everyone knows it’s a “fake” social network, with millions of accounts and users that never set foot on it.

    THE BIG IRONY

    The big irony is that it was exactly because of this kind of behaviour from other “players” that Google succeded in the first place. Google forgot that, but i didn’t.

  • Joca

    So what you are saying is that If youtube decides to add a baneer on top of people profiles saying “i am a idiot” then people will complain for a few days and then give up because youtube as the monopoly and there’s not much alternative(i understand you are in favour on monopolies)

  • Joca

    Sure if the gov says gas prices will increase dramatically, you will get mad about it but in a few days you’ll forget it, simply because you can’t really do much and maybe the gov just doesn’t care about you. You forget, even if you are being robbed everyday.

  • Joca

    Google succeded in the first place for not being like you said it should be now! Google has a monopoly, i can move to another service but there’s no other service that can compare in content.
    If you think it was a small change. You never been to youtube.
    Actions shoulb be taken against Google as they did to Microsoft monopoly.

  • Joca

    The most important opinion was from one of the founders of Youtube (remember that service that people used to love?)
    He deleted all of his vídeos from youtube except the very first vídeo ever posted on youtube.

  • Joca

    That response was politic mambo jambo

  • Faker

    I like commenting on YouTube. What I don’t like is to be forced to sign up for something I don’t want whatsoever in order to keep doing that.

    So, in essence it’s like putting a gun to our heads. Or, if you prefer more colorful descriptions, “Say you’re standing in a pool full of piss (not commenting) all the way up to your neck, then somebody comes in with a bucket of shit to dump on your head (Google+). Do you duck down under the piss, or do you just stay up and take on the shit?”

  • Mika

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    ▂▄▅████████▅▄▃▂
    I███████████████████]
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  • NO

    There is nothing meaningful about ascii spam.

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  • BlueLight

    You sir are a liar ! You used an absolute in a inductive context.
    If you use absolute use it in the right context.

  • coleto

    Wow, less profanity and more meaningull conversation! I hadn’t noticed!
    Walls of text that force you to scroll way down to collapse, spam and links… great, the youtube quality has drastically improved in the last few days.
    Some of your “reasons” are not true, and some are not a good thing.
    A lot of youtubers complain the new way of monitoring activity via g+ is way worse, time consuming and inefficient than the old dedicated inbox. Less than 0.1% of youtubers are active g+ users, and they couldn’t care less for the g+ benefits. All they see is the g- cumbersome system.

    There was even a great video about how the tools to make a good social site are fundamentally incompatable with the tools for making a good video sharing site.

  • prince_david

    Let’s go over your reasons:

    1. Less profanity! (I’m not being a prude here, it is really getting out of hand)
    -No actually its more profane plus I have to deal with ASCII art COCKS everywhere posted by Jesus CHrist
    2. Meaningful discussion, not spam all over the place.
    -I have seen more spam now than i have ever before INCLUDING spam links
    3. The comments that really matter to me are top, as in those I know (as within my circles) and the person who made the video.
    -Matter of opinion I still prefer to see the very top comments.
    4. I can comment publicly or privately (share my comments only with some of my Circles).
    -Sorta but everything you post is now public and ever response, no way to limit responses to just circles, it’s all public. If it’s not, it’s not clear how to post a response to only a circle.
    5. I can see who I’m talking to, I just hover over their name and up pops their Google+ profile card.
    -Not always, you can still have fake profiles
    6. Mentioning people directly by their Google+ profiles and use hashtags which means they get a mail when I talk about them.
    -Oh yeah hashtags like #F-google everywhere have been useful I will give you that.
    7. New comments left on my videos go directly to Google+ notification system — all in one place.
    -They took away the basic inbox. Now you are unable to go back into older notifications and older comment messages like you could in the old Inbox. They only did this because they were too lazy to fix bugs that existed in Inbox for years.
    8. The video poster can easily moderate comments by block certain words and save time by auto-approving comments from certain people (read: trolls).
    -OK that is good
    9. Nice big comments, no character limit (500 characters can be constricting in a rant).
    -Yeah, I have seen scripts of Star Wars posted as well as people posting giant ASCII art of Adolph Hitler or penises.
    10. Google Translate support for YouTube comments (overdue in my opinion).

    -Sure thats good but where is it?

  • http://www.splinterslair.com splinter48708

    So? How much did Google pay you to write this shill piece of crap?! I hate this new system. 99% of the things I want to reply to…I CAN’T. It’s a serious piece of BS that I wish had never been forced on us. I prefer most recent comments, not what they think I would be interested in.

    This whole article is so biased towards Google and YouTube that it reminds me on how main stream media covers opponents to His Majesty Barack Obama (hereinafter referred to “He Who Must Not Be Named” or “You Know Who”) grand plans and refuses to give ink nor bandwidth to the many scandals that plague the man and give credence to his mouthpiece claims that they are all cooked up and false.

  • Olaf2

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    ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂ ☻/ This tank & Bob are against Google+
    Il███████████████████]. /▌ Copy and Paste this all over
    ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤.. / Youtube if you are with us

  • https://plus.google.com/112767041460502214504 Greg Miernicki

    Remember to BLACKLIST all the spammers… its much easier now in the new comments section :)

  • Bunky Prewster

    You clearly have not read the comments on google. You are wrong on every level.

    1. Less profanity! —— There is more profanity than ever. There are comments that just have the N-Word posted 85 times in a row, and nothing else.

    2. Meaningful discussion, not spam all over the place. —— I have seen more spam on youtube in in the past week, than I’ve seen in 5 years.

    3. The comments that really matter to me are top, as in those I know (as within my circles) and the person who made the video. —— Yeah, someone saying the N-word 85 is so important.

    4. I can comment publicly or privately (share my comments only with some of my Circles). —— Here you just sound like a paid google shill

    5. I can see who I’m talking to, I just hover over their name and up pops their Google+ profile card. —— Or you can just read their username.

    6. Mentioning people directly by their Google+ profiles and use hashtags which means they get a mail when I talk about them. —— Great, now people who have no interest in the video you’re watching, will get pointless mail they don’t care about.

    7. New comments left on my videos go directly to Google+ notification system – all in one place. —— As opposed to the inbox, where they were going before. How is this an improvement?

    8. The video poster can easily moderate comments by block certain words
    and save time by auto-approving comments from certain people (read:
    trolls). —— So when someone takes the time to type out a well thought out, productive comment, it gets blocked automatically, bc they used a word you put on a list. Yeah, thats just wonderful.

    9. Nice big comments, no character limit (500 characters can be constricting in a rant). —— Yup, if you pictures of dick’s and swastikas in the form of ACII art.

    10. Google Translate support for YouTube comments (overdue in my opinion). —— If a video is in a language you can’t understand, why are you even bothering watching it?

  • Bunky Prewster

    *sluuuuuuuuuuuurp*

    that’s the sound of you sucking google’s dick

  • Bobs follower

    ░░░░░███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ Bob is building an army.
    ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂ ☻/︻╦╤─ This tank & Bob are against Google+
    Il███████████████████]. /▌ Copy and Paste this all over
    ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤.. / YouTube if you are with us.

  • http://autisticmetalhead.blogspot.com/ BreadGod

    How much did Google pay you to write this fluff piece?

  • BlueLight

    Sir, i think the major reason why people disagree with you is because they’ve used the system and if experience has proven anything to them (not you!), this system is worse at nearly all of the 10 counts you’ve given as to why people will like this system.

    I’d like to also tell you that I’ve been given the impression that your using “attacking the straw man” by only addressing only the easier arguments. I’m fairly sure this is incorrect and is likely related to you not replying to everyone that has criticism on the new system which is understandable.

    [Again just so no one starts jumping on a bandwagon that shouldn't exist, i get the impression he's using attacking the straw man but i don't think he's using.]

    This system is bad enough that people are turning off comments because the community can’t moderate anymore and the channels in question are having a hard time moderating since youtube has decided that everyone will want to see what’s most relevant not what’s newest.

  • AnnJoyViewster

    “Spam will decrease dramatically with the far more powerful moderation features” – great, but what are those and where they are? If they were supposed to be introduced, why hasn’t that happened already?

  • St. Louis Wrestling

    I DO NOT WANT A GOOGLE+ ACCOUNT! THIS IS WHAT YOU DON’T GET!

  • Truthism321

    Excellent point.

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  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    It seems I was wrong, my bad…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE0NRdNoVDk

  • mightbewrong

    Frankly I’m annoyed because no amount of change is going to make me want to read idiots commenting on the internet…and the new system doesn’t work with HerpDerp.

  • Whatevergirl

    I don’t care! As long as I can disable replies, I’m happy.

  • Epicwinner!~

    Top 10 reasons why nobody(almost nobody anyway, I’m sure most would agree the old system had it’s quirks but it wasn’t nearly as horrific as you make it out to be) cares that you hold this opinion!~

    1.) Censorship of any kind is beyond BS(even if it is censorship of asshat morons.) so “less” profanity isn’t really a good thing.

    2.) This one is kind of an offshoot of the first in a way. Since often times what some people would call spam, is just an unpopular opinion which is sometimes still valid.

    3.) They couldn’t make the comments that matter to you show up at the top without a new system that’s so very beyond screwed over(Pretty much Nobody in their right mind liked Google+ in the first place what makes Google think we’d like an even more screwy version to take the place of a version that was already showing signs of mild effects of Google’s past attempts to tinker with the system the 500 character limit was bad however have you seen the bob spam? This did not stop spam, and I’m guessing if you got like 5000 angry bobs on your video deleting them all might be a pain, not 100% certain as I’ve never used the mod system) that it has a petition with almost 100k at only slightly over a month ago. It’s now up to around 226,828(and seemingly still counting as it went up by 1 in the short 3 minutes since I checked implying it’s rising rapidly, oh the irony your post probably gave it more publicity).

    4.) For this one refer to number three, I think that about covers it.

    5.) ^^^^^^^^^^ Please look up to the previous 2

    6.) They could have simply just included in their coding a system that reads Google+ names and sends a message, and the same with hashtags if they did it with the Google+ system they were very very very very insanely capable of doing it with an updated/less crappy version of the older system…so yeah this point is moot.

    7.) Didn’t OLD messages go directly to the YouTube inbox? Which was also “technically speaking” at least, in one place?

    8.) Once more please refer to 1-6 for a general basis as to why this is screwed up logic!~ I understand some spam is real so a better/more user friendly mod system is nicer however again this point is 110% moot as with their resources a 12 year old probably could have made a better version of this system for them in his sleep, believe me, as a teenager(age 16+) I’ve coded much much more intricate and complex systems for video games. It was Childishly easy in 99% of the time unless the system had to do some insane shit like I don’t know, enslaving the free world in real life? O.o I could never quite get my real world mod system working right…I’d try to ban them and they’d simply come back on an alt…cannot for the life of me find a suitable system to keep track of/control a soul…

    9.) This also could have been done without breaking the hell out of it as mentioned in my spiels about how children and monkeys(if properly trained) could probably do this better(along with a waaay better version of Google+)

    10.) Google translate has been out for years now, there is absolutely no reason they could have not implemented it many many many times over in the old system(or one much better than either the old or current), and it’s honestly jaw-droppingly hilarious that they botched this bit when they already had the system made for ages. I’m fairly sure a lot of apps on android as well as the Chrome browser by Google use this feature, use the Google translate system and seemingly do so on the fly as needed if you instruct them to(I know Chrome does this for sure), and shouldn’t Google make it so browsers by default should offer to translate any foreign texts into your native language? I mean doesn’t Facebook use Bing translate to a similar effect? It’s not that hard, Google most likely secretly has 150% access to EVERYTHING they’d ever need to take over the whole darn universe…why they can’t simply train monkeys to do a better job than the current buffoons working for them now is probably going to be one of the last great mysteries of the universe long after we’ve gone on to solve things like the meaning of life, and other various fun things like that.

    These are pretty much my rebuttals to this list of 10 reasons, I’m sure there are a decent amount of errors in grammar and other areas, so please forgive me on that. Also the grand scheme probably isn’t so much 100% aimed to spy on us, although that would be a part. I’m sure they were easily doing this with demographics/other methods. No, no my friend, I’m guessing this is more a devious plot to try and save their failing frakked up social network! “Oh, people don’t like Google+ if we force them to use it, say via the popular site YouTube without giving them any say in the matter, maybe, just maybe we can possibly make Google+ more popular in the process” I’m not 100% certain on the results however it seems it’s not working…Sorry for the rant this has been building up since the change, and people supporting this idiocy however few they are(no offense you seem very intelligent, but I’m sure even Einstein had some moronic moments in his life) kind of jerk the crap out of my chain, and grab my attention quite easily…again sorry if this came off as rude, it was not intended as such, simply meant to counter the claims you made with other logical options.

  • I_warned_ya

    “You wouldn’t believe how upset users are about this. More than 90 000 people are petitioning YouTube to bring back the old comments system.”

    Try over 200,000 the last time I checked, and that was a while ago. Your incredulous response does nothing to invalidate the facts- people hate this change. A LOT of people.

    “Facebook gets these things by the bucket load when they so much as consider moving a pixel.” Exaggerate much? Users on Facebook HAVE protested changes to FB that they felt would violate their privacy, and unlike Google, Facebook appears to care what the users thought, and roll back some changes. Not so, Google. Google thinks it knows best, and apparently feels it’s finally reached some plateau that gives it carte blanc to tell the user to f*ck off. Apparently the concerns of the users mean nothing to YOU either, since as a true boot licker you side with the company on every count.

    Congratulations Martijin-

    You just jumped to the front of the Google A ss-kisser line. Few articles by Google shills that I’ve read have been so devoid of real content and dodged the issues so well.

    Google could merely have bought a parrot to say what you just said, since it required no thought beyond what Google’s propaganda engineers invested.

    As for iJustine, a who re is just a who re, even if she’s boo-hooing sympathy. Her underlying message is to bend over and take it- all the rest is a meaningless attempt to cash in on g+ while trying to make the outraged users her buds.

    If you had one “tech savvy” molecule in your body you’d know that the g+ integration had NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to actually do with cleaning up the YT comments. It was purely a lame lie to justify forcing loyal YT users into using g+, thereby boosting the numbers up to that of an actual viable social network, which g+ WASN’T.

    The proof of Google’s lie was that the first result of the “fixing” was that the trolls went wild with the magical powers bestowed on them: ASCII porn, screamer and virus links, endless text comments. If the comments were a problem before, the “fix” made them a tragedy, and Google actually had to wrap their mind around REALLY fixing something while they tried desperately to ignore the user backlash- and to this day NOT ONE WORD has been uttered by Google about user dissatisfaction. Quite odd behavior for a company that claims to have “listened to the user”. Bull.

    “Is it just me or is there a petition every time a major social network makes a change?”

    FYI, g+ was NOT a major social network until they fake-jumped up their numbers, and I think you’re well aware of it. You’re just a shill. Pathetic.

  • I_warned_ya

    I love the imagery.

  • I_warned_ya

    What sickens me the most is her fake sympathy for our concerns while telling us to just deal with it.

  • I_warned_ya

    Because fixing the comments was NEVER the actual reason for forcing g+. It was all about artificially boosting g+ numbers up from next to nobody up to near Twitter level. Only after the integration did Google become aware that their meddling had given the trolls new powers, and things needed fixing.

  • I_warned_ya

    Horsesh it. Like any drug pusher, YouTube was allowed to go on for a while building a user base and the associated dependency. If Google had stated its intentions originally then users WOULD have jumped ship rather than become entrenched in Google’s privacy cesspool.

  • I_warned_ya

    Small change my ass.

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