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10 reasons YouTube’s new Google+ comments really are a good thing

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Martijn Vreugde
Martijn is Head of Design at Kiron Interactive. He has become rather enveloped in the social media wave as well as the explosive tech industry that has... More

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If any of you netizens have not heard of this apparently catastrophic news, YouTube comments are now handled by Google+. Yes I know, the horror, now catch your breath… settle down… it’s fine… really.

Here is the official post from the almighty Google (who own YouTube by the way — for some weird reason some people don’t know this).

The main jist of the update is:

  • Comments you care about move to the top: You’ll see posts at the top of the list from the video’s creator, popular personalities, engaged discussions about the video, and people in your Google+ Circles. You can still see the most recent comments by switching from “Top Comments” to “Newest First.”
  • Join the conversation publicly or privately: You can choose to start a conversation so that it is seen by everyone, only people in your Circles, or just your bestie. Like Gmail, replies are threaded so you can easily follow conversations.
  • Easily moderate comments: If you also post videos on your channel, you’ll have new tools to review comments before they’re posted, block certain words or save time by auto-approving comments from certain fans.

There is a video too:

You wouldn’t believe how upset users are about this. More than 90 000 people are petitioning YouTube to bring back the old comments system. The petition, hosted on Change.org, says Google is forcing users into creating accounts for a social network they don’t want to use with the new comments section.

YouTube petition

Is it just me or is there a petition every time a major social network makes a change? Facebook gets these things by the bucket load when they so much as consider moving a pixel. How have none of these people noticed the social network company does not care about your petition. They thought these changes out, consulted experts, and invested time, money and resources to do it. They are not going to turn around and say: “Oh look, a fraction of our uses don’t like change. Oh well, worth a shot.”

I digress, back to the issue at hand. These Google+ comments, they are actually a truly good change to the notoriously venomous environment that is the YouTube comments space. I remember I read a joke once where if aliens ever saw YouTube comments as first contact, they would have more than enough reason to think we were a bunch of parasites and not to touch down on this blue planet or they might catch something.

So the move to Google+ is awesome for so many reasons, and here are just a few of them:

1. Less profanity! (I’m not being a prude here, it is really getting out of hand)
2. Meaningful discussion, not spam all over the place.
3. The comments that really matter to me are top, as in those I know (as within my circles) and the person who made the video.
4. I can comment publicly or privately (share my comments only with some of my Circles).
5. I can see who I’m talking to, I just hover over their name and up pops their Google+ profile card.
6. Mentioning people directly by their Google+ profiles and use hashtags which means they get a mail when I talk about them.
7. New comments left on my videos go directly to Google+ notification system — all in one place.
8. The video poster can easily moderate comments by block certain words and save time by auto-approving comments from certain people (read: trolls).
9. Nice big comments, no character limit (500 characters can be constricting in a rant).
10. Google Translate support for YouTube comments (overdue in my opinion).

(Disclosure: list inspired by Aygul Zagidullina)

This fine lady known on YouTube as iJustine gets it. She has 1.7-million people subscribed to her channel, so is a good representative of those who actually give a lot of their time and effort to their channel and followers.

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  • anib

    There are many many people that are more “representative” who do not agree with the way Google is trying to turn Youtube into an extension of Google+. YouTube has its own community of very active users. They dont want to interact on Google+. This is the point you seem to miss. Spam has not decreased in any way and there are uniquely YouTube features that have now been lost. I suggest you do a bit more research next time and not just copy paste lists.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    Of course there are people who disagree that’s always the case anib.
    Those existing active users accounts are not deleted? Those who do not want to adapt, will darn, that life on the net, things change all the time. I would argue a large percentage of those most against it are the trolls who made the worst comments under the safe veil of anonymity.
    Spam will decrease dramatically with the far more powerful moderation features.
    As for the features lost, I think they have gained vastly more than they lost.

  • Elli21486

    You included iJustine but at the same time, you fail to mention PewDiePie, Youtube’s biggest channel, disabling all comments due to the new commenting system. Many other Youtubers have done the same thing.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    This video “MEGA JENGA!” by PewDiePie
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_sdz70Ifno
    works fine for me I see ALL COMMENTS (37,064)

    His latest video (Published on Nov 11, 2013) also has comments active:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQuXwdl6k10

    His Channel page Discussion sections seems vibrant too:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/PewDiePie/discussion

  • Richard Le Falchion

    Trolling and spamming has gone through the roof. I’ve never had to remove an ASCII penis, Braveheart script or link to a screamer. I can’t respond to comments prior to the change, I am forced to use Google+ to even comment back to people on my own channel. The only reason this has been done is to artificially inflate Google+’s membership via conscription. If I’d wanted to be part of their failed social network I wouldn’t have deleted my profile there months ago.

    Hence, I’m taking my 105 videos and putting them onto commenting sites. The only thing YT will see is links to those sites from now on. That is until it’s gone the way of MySpace and it’s pointless even linking from there.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    Ok, well lets address these points individually
    – The spamming jump with ASCII character’s etc is just because of the news of the change and users frustration. It will die down very soon, I’d be surprised if they are still doing that by next week.
    – Yes you will now use Google’s comments to use Google’s site (YouTube is owned by Google), they are not going to have separate lists for their users. Now that they have a social network all their products will use those profiles to engage with them.
    – Google does not need to inflate it’s membership, it has taken over Twitter for pete sake with 500 million active users, not merely Gmail users who now have G+ account, (as some people assume) but those who actively use the social media platform.
    – I’m sure Reddit will love the influx, and I wish you the best of karma.
    – Since Google+ is the main pet project of Larry Page since he became CEO of his company Google arguably the most powerful company on the internet… I wouldn’t hold your breath for that wait till it’s gone away.

  • Will Robinson

    Wasting your time, Martijn. They don’t want to hear your explanations, and your neither your logic nor your predictions are welcome. Arguing is pointless, as it assumes the people you are arguing with are actually engaging in the discussion. They are not; they have been told that this is a Bad Thing, and they will continue to see it as a Bad Thing until such a time as either they are told it is a Good Thing, or until they entirely forget it happened.

    You can expect the latter to happen in about 2-3 weeks.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    Update: in true YouTube form we have a Hitler parody on the subject
    Hitler finds out Google+ is needed to comment on YouTube
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_OlBgXfsjY

  • Richard Le Falchion

    Now let’s deal with your ‘refutations’ individually:

    ”The spamming jump with ASCII character’s etc is just because of the news of the change and users frustration. It will die down very soon, I’d be surprised if they are still doing that by next week.” By your definition people who wouldn’t have necessarily indulged in trolling activity are now indulging in it. It’s not getting better, it’s getting worse. It’s not going to get better because those who were trolling are still there and they’ve now been given even more toys to play with.

    “Yes you will now use Google’s comments to use Google’s site (YouTube is owned by Google), they are not going to have separate lists for their users. Now that they have a social network all their products will use those profiles to engage with them.”- that’s one of the major objections. people have been drawn into a social network they didn’t want to be in. the network had failed previously and was barely scraping the bottom as social networks go. Their desperation to be the next Facebook is more than apparent in their slavish copying of the Facebook look. Many people are now leaving because of that.

    “Google does not need to inflate it’s membership, it has taken over Twitter for pete sake with 500 million active users, not merely Gmail users who now have G+ account, (as some people assume) but those who actively use the social media platform.” well that isn’t true is it? The most active user of G+’s social aspects I know was last on there in early October. Doesn’t exactly make it the Piccadily circus of the net does it? G+ only has half decent numbers by virtue of signing up anyone with even the most tenuous connection to Google. Receiving an email via Gmail doesn’t make anyone an active user. They’re effectively the digital equivalent of the Mormon church, claiming everyone for their own.

    ” I’m sure Reddit will love the influx, and I wish you the best of karma.”- never been there, Dailymotion and Vimeo are actually much superior video sharing sites.

    ” Since Google+ is the main pet project of Larry Page since he became CEO of his company Google arguably the most powerful company on the internet… I wouldn’t hold your breath for that wait till it’s gone away.”- I don’t care, mainly because, like many others, I’m not going to be there. Larry Page is not the final arbiter of what I do with my videos. And like any free market economy he can fail just as rapidly as anyone else. There is no such a thing as being too big to fail. Just ask the dinosaurs.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    Hi Will, I quite like debating these kind of things but I think you might be right. These are the same people who say they will quit Facebook because they changed the layout only to just not be active for a few days and then come back to see if anyone liked there quit status.

  • Bill

    Martijn, I can still comment under my alias on YouTube since my Google+ account also uses my nickname. This means the whole ‘meaningful discussion’ and ‘less profanity’ points you made do not really matter since it’s still all fake names.
    Also, the vast majority of YouTube users do not have a Google+ account, so will not benefit from seeing comments from their circles or friends.
    All the other points you make are about the comment section itself – enhancements that I welcome. The old comment system was somewhat outdated and some updates they made are great. But the Google+ integration doesn’t add anything substantial to the mix in the end.
    Lastly, this isn’t the first thing Google has done to YouTube that has genuinely made it a worse service. Not everything is just some short-term rage you’d expect from every major change to a popular web community. There are numerous things that were changed at some point on YouTube that annoy me to this day and seem very poorly thought out.

  • d

    YouTube needs to know the difference between trolling and bullying. A troll is someone online who does things that are edgy or crude humor that people take seriously. They are NOT serious about what they do and they just like controversies and funny reactions. Bullies just like to harass people and make them miserable or suicidal. BULLIES are serious about what they do. I’ve seen many trolls get suspended on YouTube lately even when they didn’t even do anything even offensive. Some get suspended when they criticize certain things. We have freedom of speech and you said in your community guidelines that you allow free speech. Now on the comments box, you can’t reply to comments usually, and now the comments box are “cleaned up” now because nowadays we will only see comments that are “appropiate because they aren’t trolling” and ones that everyone will like. So now, we won’t see any funny comments or edgy comments. Who cares if a comment is irrelevant or funny or edgy, it’s NOT bullying. Think about it, the internet would be boring if everyone was serious online and nobody would be edgy or troll. Trolling always is online. Either tough it out, or just go onto a site for 5 year olds. You people shouldn’t be on the internet if you’re going to get pissed by things that aren’t even a big deal. One troll who never got banned is Bart Baker. He’s a really funny troll, but everyone gets offended by his videos and posts pissed comments. Sure trolls might accidentally offend someone, but as Family Guy or South Park are basically troll shows, that doesn’t mean we can’t troll. It’s just like this: A white guy beats a black guy up for being black. This shows that the white guy was OFFENDED by the fact that the black guy was black instead of white. But it doesn’t mean that the black guy is going to convert to white and be the new Michael Jackson. If something offends you, IGNORE IT AND EVADE IT! And as for bullies, just like in real life, there’s always going to be bullies. You just have to learn to fight them. The thing is, YouTube will have to identify an actual online bully and suspend them faster than they used to so that this whole thing where we report online harassment doesn’t do any effect anymore. But if you think cyberbullying is the worst thing, why don’t you go look at bullies IN REAL LIFE. Trust me, they’re worse! I will be honest, I NEVER was a victim. But I just wonder how you all would deal with bullies in real life. If everyone was nice all the time and never mean, then life, unfortunately would be boring and everyday would be the same. This also shows how this whole “appropiate comments” thing is stupid because then the comments you see will always be the same. Also, don’t forget, YouTube, people now are able to post ASCII text pics of penises and stuff now. ROFL at your self-contradictions!!!

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    The removal of profanity will also be aided by the enhanced moderation tools.
    As well as blocking users who troll regardless of their username.
    I agree the new buffering that came a few months ago is annoying.
    What features have they made over the years that made it worse in your opinion?

  • Jorick

    Hey, I want to preserve my anonymity because I suffer from Avoidant Personality Disorder and being ridiculed in public is a no-go for me. At least with my anonymous alter ego I was able to shrug it off, but I shudder to think that now they will be directing their hateful messages directly towards my real identity…

    Even without giving my personal details to create a G+ account or page, I still have a bone to pick with that account or page being publicly displayed to anyone who might choose to vandalize. My therapist advised me to stay away from anything that resembles a social network and, lo and behold, now I have to be in one to talk to my colleagues in YouTube

    This is just a lack of consideration by Google for those of us who might have some issues with privacy and confidence. Exactly the same will happen with 3D tech if it keeps becoming more mainstream, since 15% of human population is stereoblind, including myself.

    Mr. Vreugde, any comments on my issues?

  • Bill

    The way subscriptions work has gone downhill on every update. Instead of a handy, tiled overview of all your new videos, you now have a list. So you end up scrolling up and down a lot, wondering what idiot designer thought this was a good idea when there is a ton of empty white space on any 1920×1200 or 1080 resolution. This is especially an issue if you have a lot of subscriptions. Furthermore, it used to be very easy to remove a video from your feed you already watched, they even used to disappear automatically.
    Also, they got rid of the easy Smaller/Larger Player button and instead needlessly hid it under an additional Settings button on the video. They seem they have put it back recently though, it seems. But you have to wonder why they keep fiddling with these things in the first place when everyone just wants it to stay the same.
    I actually liked the 1-5 star rating system as well, but I can understand why they removed it. Still, it would be nice to get a more detailed video ratings.
    There are a few other small things, mostly hiding buttons or settings that used to be easily clickable, like adding a video to favorites or sharing it. It just requires more actions now than before, but I can live with it.

  • Chris Paterson

    This is actually a bad thing because it forces people to become more deeply integrated in to the google eco system. In other words, if forces more people to give up more personal information about themselves to the google ad network. Everything google does is so they can collect personal information about its users. Everything. This is why I recommend using privacy-based sites such as DuckDuckGo, HushMail, Ravetree, etc. Privacy really does matter, and anyone who says that privacy is dead has bought in to the propaganda being spread by companies such as google and facebook.

  • TheBlackGod

    mega jenga got disabled

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    You can keep your pseudonym in the new system, just as iJustine mentions in the video, make sure to pay attention to the prompts giving you the choice between your real name and your pseudonym. But you will need to give some details to Google still.
    Though the new system should actually help you more, as it is designed to curb the “hateful messages”. With APD why do you “talk to my colleagues in YouTube” anyway, is this for work purposes? I suggest you talk to your therapist about it and then try it out a few times and test the waters, maybe only reading replies while in consultation.
    I’m not sure how being stereoblind is relevant to this but I’m sorry to hear that, 15% of the population seems high though, whats your source?

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    yeah no…. sorry. I’m afraid you will have to be the one to “tough it out” and not troll anymore, the general public most certainly does not need to cater to the needs of trolls regardless of whether they are serious or not about their insults.
    for the record Family Guy or South Park are NOT basically troll shows they are more akin to satire of modern culture and most importantly a person decided to watch the show, nobody decides to be trolled.
    Why “ignore” the bully when we can excuse him from the conversation.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    That I agree with fully, the layout is terrible, they should really adapt a more reactive design that caters to the screen size of the user.
    No idea why they took those away, not like they need the space on the black bar.
    the new ads that can be place anywhere are irritating me as they naturally try put them in places where the X is hard to click with out selecting something else.

  • GooglePlusHater

    Why “Google + comments are a good thing” my ass. My network gets attacked when I go on YouTube because Google + is more unsafer than Facebook, and my computers’ hard drives go corrupt.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    The others including the latest seem fine.

  • Cherry145

    See that’s where you don’t get it. There was definitely backlash when facebook changed the layout, and backlash when youtube changed the layout, but this time they’ve completely changed the whole system and point of the youtube community. It is a video sharing website, not a social network. People go on youtube to watch and comment on videos, not connect with each other and have ‘meaningful’ conversations and then follow that up with a friend request. We have facebook, twitter, tumblr etc. for all that. We go on youtube for youtube not google+, they should be two entirely separate things.
    And the commenting system has been completely ruined. I looked forward to seeing witty, smart, interesting top comments every time I scrolled down, but now it’s just spam and irrelevant comments. I’m not just talking about the ASCII penises, I’m talking about misleading links to viruses, the same ad spams over and over again. Heck, I can’t even reply to older comments because they’ve become completely disregarded.
    It’s not about not being able to accept change. I get it, we need changes or else it gets boring. But there IS such thing as good changes and bad changes, in which this time, it’s not a very good change.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    I have no idea how you find it “more unsafer” though there is no malware or spyware on G+ if that what you are implying.
    And I can certainly assure you neither FB or G+ can be blamed for your hard drive being corrupted.

  • jay

    Read his descriptions. All his latest videos have comments disabled, he does NOT approve of the commenting system.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    the comments are back on for most but his reasoning is that the Top Comments were being abused and he was getting some spam:
    “Hey bros!
    I’m really sorry but to prevent spread of virus or spam in general, comments are off until YouTube blocks ability to abuse top comments.
    Please use the first link in description to comment for now. ”

    https://plus.google.com/u/0/wm/4/117663191659499528404/posts/P57h5HPqrUY

  • Google+ Sucks, plain and simpl

    The quote on your profile “utterly addicted to Google” wouldn’t affect the bias of this post, would it….

  • Nobody’s Perfect

    Google is all one company, with a service called youtube that is now thankfully integrated into the rest of the Google account which has Google+ at it’s core. If the “Youtube community” you speak of doesn’t like google then they should have moved to vimeo when youtube was bought by google back in 2006, but no we all stayed because we knew that google would make it even better than it was (and they have.) They fact that they are now connecting it to G+ is kind of obvious, and iv’e personally been hoping they would for nearly two years.

  • Nobody’s Perfect

    lol people are so funny. Google will be google will be youtube, no matter what. Nobody’s forced to use these services.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    There you go, you understand the grander scheme.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    LOL I’m not hiding the fact that I’m a fan, though I do criticize them too, have done so even in the comments here with Bill. However by in large I think that they are a great company.

  • 506

    Stop defending google for what they did. This is not because of pussies who cant take insults from others and are now demanding “moderation”. They did this so we have to start using their stupid social network which sucks or you have also good reasons on why it is awesome also? Those who say this was a good change don’t know how the internet works simple as that

  • BlueLight

    just going over the check list of your list before i go to bed.

    1. Less profanity! (I’m not being a prude here, it is really getting out of hand)
    2. Meaningful discussion, not spam all over the place.
    3. The comments that really matter to me are top, as in those I know (as within my circles) and the person who made the video.
    4. I can comment publicly or privately (share my comments only with some of my Circles).
    5. I can see who I’m talking to, I just hover over their name and up pops their Google+ profile card.
    6. Mentioning people directly by their Google+ profiles and use hashtags which means they get a mail when I talk about them.
    7. New comments left on my videos go directly to Google+ notification system — all in one place.
    8. The video poster can easily moderate comments by block certain words and save time by auto-approving comments from certain people (read: trolls).
    9. Nice big comments, no character limit (500 characters can be constricting in a rant).
    10. Google Translate support for YouTube comments (overdue in my opinion).

    1 my god, in the past hour i’ve seen more F bombs on youtube than i would have seen in a week on the entire internet.

    2 spam is all over the place. There were systems in place to stop this… but G+ must have way better systems.

    3 that assumes that all post aren’t equal. Also why would i want to see what other people think is popular. I want to see the newest post first and make my way down. Google has never understood me well enough to sort lists for me. They can’t even display all my subscriptions correctly. Lets not talk about recommendation videos or channels.

    4 i know they said this was a feature but i personally haven’t seen it.

    5 i don’t want people to know who i am nor do i want to know who i am. Just call me blue light and be done with it. People watch me would know me by blue light not jane smith.

    6 not sure if i would call this a good thing… but okay!

    7 god it’s horrid. The old system was horrid but at least it display information well. It just didn’t update well.

    8 Not sure if it’s being used. I know a lot of youtubers are completely shutting off their comment system because of the trolls. Some have started using reddit.

    9 so you know that funny cat video? How about i post something witty but under the display text button i hide a text version of the war and peace.

    10 really? we needed this? I don’t mean to say we don’t need a translator for the comments but my browsers auto translates for me. That being said, i want to read japanese comments in japanese. I guess i’ll have to see this in action to make a justified comment.

    Here is the main problem, what we gain from this google plus addition is the google plus comment systems really. Which comment system is more powerful? Well the G+ from a feature stand point is more powerful but you can easily see how people troll the site. The past system was designed to stop this mass trolling.

    Got people writing dick in ascii characters? I see them all the time in G+ comments but NEVER in youtubes. Not once! you could not post acii characters, links, or HTML code. Got people spreading hate messages in comments? yes in G+, yes in the old system but you could report them as spam and normally they’re removed quickly with community support. got long winded comments that are literally entire chapters to books? Yes in G+ no in the old system; character limit and all.

    The problem the comment section of youtube is facing right now have been solved. We had a solution just a week ago that was working fine! Now what do they offer us in exchange? A thread system which we basically had the bones of; no character limit thus allow horrible amounts of spam; no ascii limits about content they can provide; a messaging system that doesn’t even work within side the youtube frame work where i want my messages.

    If i had to name 3 things youtube lost it was this.

    Comments you care about move to the top
    Join the conversation
    Easily moderate comments

    -blue
    Good nite.

  • Zeke

    It’s painfully obvious that iJustine is deep within Google’s pocket. She was one of the ‘official’ endorsers of the One Channel.

    All power to her and she can do what she wants, but I hate the fact that she acts like she personally believes in all this when she’s actually just a Google mouthpiece. It’s embarrassing to listen to.

  • Ben Gaieck

    Google thinks I want to hear what my friends with G+ think, but most of the time that isn’t the case with videos. I want to hear what rest of the world thinks of things. I already know what my friends think of things.

    I understand the theory but there are people who enjoy participating in internet comment threads as much as they enjoy watching the videos. This new system basically takes that out of the game because you have no ability to filter and find comments that give you new points of view.

  • Rex123

    the change would be good if i am an avid user of google+ in the first place. sadly, im not as i dont need it until they force me to use it

  • Klas

    I assume you haven’t even used the new comment system yet.

  • Jack Smith

    Google is a business not a charity. If you are not paying for something then you are the product. Google will do what improves there profits not what pleases you. If you dont like a small change in the comment system then you should not use google products.

  • Jack Smith

    No put a gun to your head.

  • Jack Smith

    People are complaining about free stuff. wonder how they react to stuff they pay for which is not the way they want it. That happens all the time.

  • Jorick

    Being stereoblind is relevant because it will be forced on people, whether they like it or not, which is kinda similar to what happened with G+ and YouTube users.

    According to my therapist, the only way to improve my condition is through interaction, taking my time, since I don’t want to be drugged with Prozac and whatnot. It is easier for me to talk to people through the Internet, shrouded with an anonymous internet handler.

    But the problem is not what my therapist says or your disdain for my condition. The problem is I don’t want anything associated with me to be made public and I don’t want to make an account on a social network AT ALL. And, yeah, I see the irony, but YouTube was as much a social network as a forum could be.

    Even you’ve gotta admit that Braveheart scripts, screamers, tokusatsu clips, viruses and genitalia are getting out of control. I really fail to see how things have improved, since you still have to moderate the comments on your videos. Except for approving comments or automatically blocking comments that contain certain words, it’s the same shit biscuit, except that now we all have to take a bite.

    1984, now that’s a good book I recommend to everyone.

  • Truthism321

    Actually, no. I, and my company, PAY Google to use their services. I believe you can disable G+ in Google Apps … but I sure as SHIT cannot disable them on my personal accounts.

  • Truthism321

    Bullshit. Moving to vimeo.

  • Truthism321

    Bullshit. Moved to vimeo.

  • Truthism321

    Bullshit. Moved to Vimeo.

  • Truthism321

    Small change? Bullshit.
    Moved to Vimeo. You were correct on your last point.

  • Truthism321

    p.s. just because you don’t understand the large implications of the “small change” does not meant they do not exist.

  • Truthism321

    Grander bullshit. Moved to vimeo.

  • Truthism321

    You don’t get it do you. The WHOLE REASON that the top comments are being abused re: VIRUS/spam is BECAUSE OF GOOGLE+ …

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    Why do you say I have any disdain for your condition? I have no doubt having APD in today’s world where social networks have even taken over porn in traffic is a serious hindrance to your life, I honestly sympathize with you. My best recommendation would be to check out Reddit.com which is sheer awesomeness and they covet their user-base covets their anonymity and the site model would collapse without it so you won’t have to fear that they would change it to reveal your name. You can also submit video’s you like there and make the comments you have on their platform. The video blogger PewDiePie (some of his video’s shown above in the comments) is currently using it till this storm of “Braveheart scripts, screamers, tokusatsu clips, viruses and genitalia” blows over.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    I have, I like it, but then I like Google+ already.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    There is no gun to your head, you don’t like the free service don’t use it.

  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    It is actually an awesome platform, try it out for a bit and check out some of the top users. I love it for meeting new people and learning whats happening. If you are an avid photographer you’ll really love it.

  • theguy126

    Youtube’s top comment system used to be very ingenious. I was always excited to scroll down to read the top two wittiest comments as voted by the public. Every video had a bit of extra entertainment, and “spam top comments” were an uncommon occurrence.

    Even the crappiest videos on Youtube miraculously became entertaining, because the top two comments would always provide a chuckle by making fun of the video. Aside from funny, the top comments were also often touching, weird, interesting, or even inspiring.

    This new commenting system neuters the amazing system they used to have and prevents prolonged public visibility of the most well-crafted comments. I used to insist on watching videos in Youtube because of their excellent commenting system. Now there is little reason to use Youtube over any other video website. Why the hell do I want to read the top comments in my “GOOGLE CIRCLES” (I have like 3 friends!!)? I go on Youtube to read the best comments in the world, which are usually by strangers!

  • Faker
  • Joca

    Please Martijn take a while to think about this:
    GOOGLE+ or THE PERMANENT DATA COLLECTOR

    After digging a bit on the situation, i am very sure that Google doesn’t care if you use Google+ or not.
    It’s now obvious to me that the purpose of Google+ was never to “create a better social network”.
    Every single Google application is collecting data and sending it to Google+. Then, G+ organizes all relevant information and stores it in a comprehensible database. This highly accurate database has information regarding everything you might imagine about you and all your connected family, friends, acquaintances, emails you send and receive, posts you make, data from GMaps, from Play store, from your Android Smartassphone GMaps, Gmail… whatever.
    It’s like G+ is gathering user data from here, there, connecting the dots, solving a puzzle so that all income info makes sense and can be added to a very organized relational database.
    This is how Google+ makes money for Google, it makes direct advertising or micro-targeting much more valuable because of how accurate it is when finding it’s advertisers target. More targeted and specific, ads will be more expensive for advertisers in a sense that they will also benefit from it.

    YOUTUBE becoming ADSTUBE?

    Youtube will eventually fall to much better video sharing sites, but right now it won’t.
    If you want an alternative to Youtube, you have a problem. Similar sites are charging you like $40/m just to have access to the most basic stuff on Youtube. Others are too small. There’s simply nothing that can replace Youtube right now, and i was talking about Vimeo, Metacafe, etc.
    In the future, it won’t be that easy. At the rate Google is replacing useful content with ads we are going to have something like 50% ads 50% user content in Youtube in a couple of years.
    – First videos in Youtube search are Ads.
    – First emails on my GMail Inbox are Ads
    – Banners in every video (i can deal with this)
    – About 70% of the videos i watch have 5 sec (at least) video ads, some are forced like 24 secs (i can deal with this but it’s getting boring).

    Changing comments is an attempt by Google to add more organized and filtered information from posts and posters to their own benefit, not yours (see what i wrote before about G+).

    CONCLUSION (My Conclusion…)

    I could go on writing about every Google product but i have better offline stuff to do now.

    Changes will happen when people start to not minding about paying a few bucks to some “noise free” video sharing solution instead of having to bare with all the ad spamming in Youtube.
    Google+ looks more like a tumor that spread to the Google user experience, i just wonder if it’s malignant or not… it’s kind of obvious now that everyone knows it’s a “fake” social network, with millions of accounts and users that never set foot on it.

    THE BIG IRONY

    The big irony is that it was exactly because of this kind of behaviour from other “players” that Google succeded in the first place. Google forgot that, but i didn’t.

  • Joca

    So what you are saying is that If youtube decides to add a baneer on top of people profiles saying “i am a idiot” then people will complain for a few days and then give up because youtube as the monopoly and there’s not much alternative(i understand you are in favour on monopolies)

  • Joca

    Sure if the gov says gas prices will increase dramatically, you will get mad about it but in a few days you’ll forget it, simply because you can’t really do much and maybe the gov just doesn’t care about you. You forget, even if you are being robbed everyday.

  • Joca

    Google succeded in the first place for not being like you said it should be now! Google has a monopoly, i can move to another service but there’s no other service that can compare in content.
    If you think it was a small change. You never been to youtube.
    Actions shoulb be taken against Google as they did to Microsoft monopoly.

  • Joca

    The most important opinion was from one of the founders of Youtube (remember that service that people used to love?)
    He deleted all of his vídeos from youtube except the very first vídeo ever posted on youtube.

  • Joca

    That response was politic mambo jambo

  • Faker

    I like commenting on YouTube. What I don’t like is to be forced to sign up for something I don’t want whatsoever in order to keep doing that.

    So, in essence it’s like putting a gun to our heads. Or, if you prefer more colorful descriptions, “Say you’re standing in a pool full of piss (not commenting) all the way up to your neck, then somebody comes in with a bucket of shit to dump on your head (Google+). Do you duck down under the piss, or do you just stay up and take on the shit?”

  • Mika

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  • NO

    There is nothing meaningful about ascii spam.

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  • BlueLight

    You sir are a liar ! You used an absolute in a inductive context.
    If you use absolute use it in the right context.

  • coleto

    Wow, less profanity and more meaningull conversation! I hadn’t noticed!
    Walls of text that force you to scroll way down to collapse, spam and links… great, the youtube quality has drastically improved in the last few days.
    Some of your “reasons” are not true, and some are not a good thing.
    A lot of youtubers complain the new way of monitoring activity via g+ is way worse, time consuming and inefficient than the old dedicated inbox. Less than 0.1% of youtubers are active g+ users, and they couldn’t care less for the g+ benefits. All they see is the g- cumbersome system.

    There was even a great video about how the tools to make a good social site are fundamentally incompatable with the tools for making a good video sharing site.

  • prince_david

    Let’s go over your reasons:

    1. Less profanity! (I’m not being a prude here, it is really getting out of hand)
    -No actually its more profane plus I have to deal with ASCII art COCKS everywhere posted by Jesus CHrist
    2. Meaningful discussion, not spam all over the place.
    -I have seen more spam now than i have ever before INCLUDING spam links
    3. The comments that really matter to me are top, as in those I know (as within my circles) and the person who made the video.
    -Matter of opinion I still prefer to see the very top comments.
    4. I can comment publicly or privately (share my comments only with some of my Circles).
    -Sorta but everything you post is now public and ever response, no way to limit responses to just circles, it’s all public. If it’s not, it’s not clear how to post a response to only a circle.
    5. I can see who I’m talking to, I just hover over their name and up pops their Google+ profile card.
    -Not always, you can still have fake profiles
    6. Mentioning people directly by their Google+ profiles and use hashtags which means they get a mail when I talk about them.
    -Oh yeah hashtags like #F-google everywhere have been useful I will give you that.
    7. New comments left on my videos go directly to Google+ notification system — all in one place.
    -They took away the basic inbox. Now you are unable to go back into older notifications and older comment messages like you could in the old Inbox. They only did this because they were too lazy to fix bugs that existed in Inbox for years.
    8. The video poster can easily moderate comments by block certain words and save time by auto-approving comments from certain people (read: trolls).
    -OK that is good
    9. Nice big comments, no character limit (500 characters can be constricting in a rant).
    -Yeah, I have seen scripts of Star Wars posted as well as people posting giant ASCII art of Adolph Hitler or penises.
    10. Google Translate support for YouTube comments (overdue in my opinion).

    -Sure thats good but where is it?

  • http://www.splinterslair.com splinter48708

    So? How much did Google pay you to write this shill piece of crap?! I hate this new system. 99% of the things I want to reply to…I CAN’T. It’s a serious piece of BS that I wish had never been forced on us. I prefer most recent comments, not what they think I would be interested in.

    This whole article is so biased towards Google and YouTube that it reminds me on how main stream media covers opponents to His Majesty Barack Obama (hereinafter referred to “He Who Must Not Be Named” or “You Know Who”) grand plans and refuses to give ink nor bandwidth to the many scandals that plague the man and give credence to his mouthpiece claims that they are all cooked up and false.

  • Olaf2

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    ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂ ☻/ This tank & Bob are against Google+
    Il███████████████████]. /▌ Copy and Paste this all over
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  • https://plus.google.com/112767041460502214504 Greg Miernicki

    Remember to BLACKLIST all the spammers… its much easier now in the new comments section :)

  • Bunky Prewster

    You clearly have not read the comments on google. You are wrong on every level.

    1. Less profanity! —— There is more profanity than ever. There are comments that just have the N-Word posted 85 times in a row, and nothing else.

    2. Meaningful discussion, not spam all over the place. —— I have seen more spam on youtube in in the past week, than I’ve seen in 5 years.

    3. The comments that really matter to me are top, as in those I know (as within my circles) and the person who made the video. —— Yeah, someone saying the N-word 85 is so important.

    4. I can comment publicly or privately (share my comments only with some of my Circles). —— Here you just sound like a paid google shill

    5. I can see who I’m talking to, I just hover over their name and up pops their Google+ profile card. —— Or you can just read their username.

    6. Mentioning people directly by their Google+ profiles and use hashtags which means they get a mail when I talk about them. —— Great, now people who have no interest in the video you’re watching, will get pointless mail they don’t care about.

    7. New comments left on my videos go directly to Google+ notification system – all in one place. —— As opposed to the inbox, where they were going before. How is this an improvement?

    8. The video poster can easily moderate comments by block certain words
    and save time by auto-approving comments from certain people (read:
    trolls). —— So when someone takes the time to type out a well thought out, productive comment, it gets blocked automatically, bc they used a word you put on a list. Yeah, thats just wonderful.

    9. Nice big comments, no character limit (500 characters can be constricting in a rant). —— Yup, if you pictures of dick’s and swastikas in the form of ACII art.

    10. Google Translate support for YouTube comments (overdue in my opinion). —— If a video is in a language you can’t understand, why are you even bothering watching it?

  • Bunky Prewster

    *sluuuuuuuuuuuurp*

    that’s the sound of you sucking google’s dick

  • Bobs follower

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    Il███████████████████]. /▌ Copy and Paste this all over
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  • http://autisticmetalhead.blogspot.com/ BreadGod

    How much did Google pay you to write this fluff piece?

  • BlueLight

    Sir, i think the major reason why people disagree with you is because they’ve used the system and if experience has proven anything to them (not you!), this system is worse at nearly all of the 10 counts you’ve given as to why people will like this system.

    I’d like to also tell you that I’ve been given the impression that your using “attacking the straw man” by only addressing only the easier arguments. I’m fairly sure this is incorrect and is likely related to you not replying to everyone that has criticism on the new system which is understandable.

    [Again just so no one starts jumping on a bandwagon that shouldn’t exist, i get the impression he’s using attacking the straw man but i don’t think he’s using.]

    This system is bad enough that people are turning off comments because the community can’t moderate anymore and the channels in question are having a hard time moderating since youtube has decided that everyone will want to see what’s most relevant not what’s newest.

  • AnnJoyViewster

    “Spam will decrease dramatically with the far more powerful moderation features” – great, but what are those and where they are? If they were supposed to be introduced, why hasn’t that happened already?

  • St. Louis Wrestling

    I DO NOT WANT A GOOGLE+ ACCOUNT! THIS IS WHAT YOU DON’T GET!

  • Truthism321

    Excellent point.

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  • http://MartijnVreugde.com/ Martijn Vreugde

    It seems I was wrong, my bad…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE0NRdNoVDk

  • mightbewrong

    Frankly I’m annoyed because no amount of change is going to make me want to read idiots commenting on the internet…and the new system doesn’t work with HerpDerp.

  • Whatevergirl

    I don’t care! As long as I can disable replies, I’m happy.

  • Epicwinner!~

    Top 10 reasons why nobody(almost nobody anyway, I’m sure most would agree the old system had it’s quirks but it wasn’t nearly as horrific as you make it out to be) cares that you hold this opinion!~

    1.) Censorship of any kind is beyond BS(even if it is censorship of asshat morons.) so “less” profanity isn’t really a good thing.

    2.) This one is kind of an offshoot of the first in a way. Since often times what some people would call spam, is just an unpopular opinion which is sometimes still valid.

    3.) They couldn’t make the comments that matter to you show up at the top without a new system that’s so very beyond screwed over(Pretty much Nobody in their right mind liked Google+ in the first place what makes Google think we’d like an even more screwy version to take the place of a version that was already showing signs of mild effects of Google’s past attempts to tinker with the system the 500 character limit was bad however have you seen the bob spam? This did not stop spam, and I’m guessing if you got like 5000 angry bobs on your video deleting them all might be a pain, not 100% certain as I’ve never used the mod system) that it has a petition with almost 100k at only slightly over a month ago. It’s now up to around 226,828(and seemingly still counting as it went up by 1 in the short 3 minutes since I checked implying it’s rising rapidly, oh the irony your post probably gave it more publicity).

    4.) For this one refer to number three, I think that about covers it.

    5.) ^^^^^^^^^^ Please look up to the previous 2

    6.) They could have simply just included in their coding a system that reads Google+ names and sends a message, and the same with hashtags if they did it with the Google+ system they were very very very very insanely capable of doing it with an updated/less crappy version of the older system…so yeah this point is moot.

    7.) Didn’t OLD messages go directly to the YouTube inbox? Which was also “technically speaking” at least, in one place?

    8.) Once more please refer to 1-6 for a general basis as to why this is screwed up logic!~ I understand some spam is real so a better/more user friendly mod system is nicer however again this point is 110% moot as with their resources a 12 year old probably could have made a better version of this system for them in his sleep, believe me, as a teenager(age 16+) I’ve coded much much more intricate and complex systems for video games. It was Childishly easy in 99% of the time unless the system had to do some insane shit like I don’t know, enslaving the free world in real life? O.o I could never quite get my real world mod system working right…I’d try to ban them and they’d simply come back on an alt…cannot for the life of me find a suitable system to keep track of/control a soul…

    9.) This also could have been done without breaking the hell out of it as mentioned in my spiels about how children and monkeys(if properly trained) could probably do this better(along with a waaay better version of Google+)

    10.) Google translate has been out for years now, there is absolutely no reason they could have not implemented it many many many times over in the old system(or one much better than either the old or current), and it’s honestly jaw-droppingly hilarious that they botched this bit when they already had the system made for ages. I’m fairly sure a lot of apps on android as well as the Chrome browser by Google use this feature, use the Google translate system and seemingly do so on the fly as needed if you instruct them to(I know Chrome does this for sure), and shouldn’t Google make it so browsers by default should offer to translate any foreign texts into your native language? I mean doesn’t Facebook use Bing translate to a similar effect? It’s not that hard, Google most likely secretly has 150% access to EVERYTHING they’d ever need to take over the whole darn universe…why they can’t simply train monkeys to do a better job than the current buffoons working for them now is probably going to be one of the last great mysteries of the universe long after we’ve gone on to solve things like the meaning of life, and other various fun things like that.

    These are pretty much my rebuttals to this list of 10 reasons, I’m sure there are a decent amount of errors in grammar and other areas, so please forgive me on that. Also the grand scheme probably isn’t so much 100% aimed to spy on us, although that would be a part. I’m sure they were easily doing this with demographics/other methods. No, no my friend, I’m guessing this is more a devious plot to try and save their failing frakked up social network! “Oh, people don’t like Google+ if we force them to use it, say via the popular site YouTube without giving them any say in the matter, maybe, just maybe we can possibly make Google+ more popular in the process” I’m not 100% certain on the results however it seems it’s not working…Sorry for the rant this has been building up since the change, and people supporting this idiocy however few they are(no offense you seem very intelligent, but I’m sure even Einstein had some moronic moments in his life) kind of jerk the crap out of my chain, and grab my attention quite easily…again sorry if this came off as rude, it was not intended as such, simply meant to counter the claims you made with other logical options.

  • I_warned_ya

    “You wouldn’t believe how upset users are about this. More than 90 000 people are petitioning YouTube to bring back the old comments system.”

    Try over 200,000 the last time I checked, and that was a while ago. Your incredulous response does nothing to invalidate the facts- people hate this change. A LOT of people.

    “Facebook gets these things by the bucket load when they so much as consider moving a pixel.” Exaggerate much? Users on Facebook HAVE protested changes to FB that they felt would violate their privacy, and unlike Google, Facebook appears to care what the users thought, and roll back some changes. Not so, Google. Google thinks it knows best, and apparently feels it’s finally reached some plateau that gives it carte blanc to tell the user to f*ck off. Apparently the concerns of the users mean nothing to YOU either, since as a true boot licker you side with the company on every count.

    Congratulations Martijin-

    You just jumped to the front of the Google A ss-kisser line. Few articles by Google shills that I’ve read have been so devoid of real content and dodged the issues so well.

    Google could merely have bought a parrot to say what you just said, since it required no thought beyond what Google’s propaganda engineers invested.

    As for iJustine, a who re is just a who re, even if she’s boo-hooing sympathy. Her underlying message is to bend over and take it- all the rest is a meaningless attempt to cash in on g+ while trying to make the outraged users her buds.

    If you had one “tech savvy” molecule in your body you’d know that the g+ integration had NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to actually do with cleaning up the YT comments. It was purely a lame lie to justify forcing loyal YT users into using g+, thereby boosting the numbers up to that of an actual viable social network, which g+ WASN’T.

    The proof of Google’s lie was that the first result of the “fixing” was that the trolls went wild with the magical powers bestowed on them: ASCII porn, screamer and virus links, endless text comments. If the comments were a problem before, the “fix” made them a tragedy, and Google actually had to wrap their mind around REALLY fixing something while they tried desperately to ignore the user backlash- and to this day NOT ONE WORD has been uttered by Google about user dissatisfaction. Quite odd behavior for a company that claims to have “listened to the user”. Bull.

    “Is it just me or is there a petition every time a major social network makes a change?”

    FYI, g+ was NOT a major social network until they fake-jumped up their numbers, and I think you’re well aware of it. You’re just a shill. Pathetic.

  • I_warned_ya

    I love the imagery.

  • I_warned_ya

    What sickens me the most is her fake sympathy for our concerns while telling us to just deal with it.

  • I_warned_ya

    Because fixing the comments was NEVER the actual reason for forcing g+. It was all about artificially boosting g+ numbers up from next to nobody up to near Twitter level. Only after the integration did Google become aware that their meddling had given the trolls new powers, and things needed fixing.

  • I_warned_ya

    Horsesh it. Like any drug pusher, YouTube was allowed to go on for a while building a user base and the associated dependency. If Google had stated its intentions originally then users WOULD have jumped ship rather than become entrenched in Google’s privacy cesspool.

  • I_warned_ya

    Small change my ass.

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